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 INTERVIEW WITH GREG SIMMONSJanuary 27, 2007 by Louise SaintOnge of MastersConnection, LLC Transcribed by Bertha Rainen COPYRIGHT © 2007 MastersConnection, LLC. All Rights Reserved. MC: I am honored to be one of the first persons to have read your new book, These Things You Shall Do and Greater, The Physics of Change. What I want to say about the book is that it is for people who have been in the school, and people who have not. There’s something in there for everyone, and you have, as I have always seen in you Greg, a clarity and a confidence and a do-ability about all of this that has inspired people around the world. GREG: Thank you. I wanted the book to be written for students in the school. I wanted it to be written for students who wanted to come to school and for those who have never heard about the school. MC: I am curious about when the initial seed of inspiration was planted. GREG: Well, it wasn’t inspiration. In a personal meeting with Ramtha 25 years ago, he told me I would one day write a book that would affect many people. Then about three years ago he asked the comrades to write books. Ramtha looked at me at that time and said, “When are you going to write your book?” And he actually said to me, and I am looking at him like wh-wh-what should it be on? He said, “You should write about the true spiritual journey.” MC: A kind of mandate, then. GREG: Yes. So, that is what this book is about, because it cuts through, as the Ram does, all of the New Age philosophy ideas of how things are, right down to the spiritual journey having to do with only one thing – making known the unknown. That is such a simple, clear statement, that there is a single law of God – to make known the unknown. A lot of people would translate that as: Well, I think then I will move from one suburb to another suburb or I am going to quit playing golf and I will pick up badminton. That is not change. So what is making known the unknown? It almost always has to do with owning the emotional responses that are habitual to the circumstances in your life. If you can change those, you change the DNA. If you change the DNA, you change the signal that goes to the cells. If you change the signal that goes to the cells, your body is in a different frequency and you have different experiences based on quantum mechanics. The Observer looking through a window glass manifests that template into life’s reality. So we own things in order to have different experiences and the body is always the recipient of that kind of DNA change. Frequency changes, health changes, vitality changes, longevity changes. Your concept of hope changes, because change diminishes the caudet nucleus, which is the main biological function within us that creates a fear/joy anti-relationship. As one goes up, the other goes down, so it is an inverse relationship. So if you work on those you already know, then you are attacking the very aspect of the DNA that was encoded by the soul. That gives us the greatest chance to become something greater than what we were genetically programmed to be. That then allows us to make know the unknown. That is the true spiritual journey – making known the unknown, being able to own and retire habitual emotional responses to circumstances in our lives. It is the most direct and precise way to go about accomplishing that mandate. The book is all about how to go about doing that. It actually answers over two hundred questions that I have been asked, not only on the Beyond the Ordinary radio program, but as an appointed teacher of RSE for eight years out in the world. I have been traveling two weeks out of every month outside the United States for the last eight years facilitating the school’s teachings. But the first two years I just did free introductory evenings all over the world and I always took the last forty-five minutes or so, to answer questions. So I know the kinds of questions that people wanted to know the answers to and I know the kinds of answers that they thought that they should have gotten and didn’t. So I knew from the very first question I got in Auckland, New Zealand in 1999 that there was a group of people who had been misled by their knowledge base -- New Age philosophy, superstitious religious concepts, metaphysical whatever you want to call it. But here is a teacher who has earned the right to speak about what he speaks about, and he had trained all of us that are advanced students very, very well. So I had 15-16 years in the school before I was ever sent out to answer one question from somebody else.  The book answers the 200+ questions that I felt were most important. There are so many students coming to the school now without a background of the basic teachings that you and I and many other students have had for the last 15-20 years. I mean I have been in school 25 years. Most students who’ve come in the last five years don’t go through a rigorous teaching with the Ram and his philosophy. They are either going to read it in a book, they will get it in a Beginning Retreat, or they come without all of that background. Well, this book goes back and answers a lot of questions that are no longer covered in the beginning school. MC: I want to ask you about this caudet nucleus. It’s actually a scientific term. GREG: Exactly. The mechanism called the caudet nucleus, which is wrapped right into the mid brain, is a genetic adaptation over time, as human beings became more and more afraid, as they began to experience their environment, as they began to get religious superstitious knowledge, and so on. That is the outcome of those kinds of attitudes that are wired into our DNA, and the DNA sends the instructions for the body’s operation. So it is a biological system, a biological piece of actual tissue that secretes these hormones having to do with fear. Any time you change an emotion and you own something, it is diminished. As it is being diminished, joy is enhanced. And as the Ram said every time we do C&E, that portion of the brain is anesthetized. When it is anesthetized, joy is its outcome. So the disciplines, even if you are not successful, if you engage them, you are working on joy as the outcome of all the disciplines. MC: Is science talking about this at all? GREG: Science is mentioning it but they are not as specific. The school is always years ahead of science because we have a master teacher who knows how that all works. I know they know it is there, because it is shown in the biology books. What actually they say its function is? I still think they would say it is fear, but I don’t know if they have remedies. Science doesn’t have remedies. They just have-here’s what happens when this is activated. The school has the actual remedies to diminish that aspect of it. The caudet nucleus is an adaptation from millennia and millennia of fear that human beings have experienced. Once we get to the point that we own fear, then that aspect in humanity will no longer be an appropriate anatomical part of the body. MC: That’s beautiful. The thing that Ram has always said, too, is that the knowledge is what minimizes the fear. Now that we have this piece of information about the caudet nucleus it gives us more impetus, if you will, to understand that what we are up against in our evolution, in our “enlightenment”, is something biological. GREG: Exactly. MC: And it gives us, instead of an unknown, it is now a known. When we know, then we can overcome it. I love this knowledge. GREG: I do, too. MC: I understand too, that these are teachings that evolve and that they are progressive. It is said in your book that what took you fifteen years to accomplish can be learned in a … GREG: It’s in a long weekend now, that’s true. MC: Can you talk about how that is possible? GREG: Yes, it’s possible because of the morphogenetics. All of those fifteen years of students coming and laboring over the disciplines and building levels of acceptance to the point where now, when students come into the school, they know students can do certain things. They already come with a high level of expectancy so they can already integrate all of that hard work into a long weekend and be as proficient at some of the disciplines in, let us say, a ten-day retreat as it took us fifteen years to do because we were building a level of acceptance. When they come in they are riding on that wave of acceptance. So they just walk in, “This is the way it has always been. I see a student can find his card. I see a student can do this. I see a student can do that.” It took us fifteen years to build that up, but now they are riding in on that acceptance. MC: So how do you feel about that? GREG: I love it. I wouldn’t give up my fifteen years of trying to find the fence. I mean, we used to scream, “I found the fence”. Everybody would clap saying, “Where’s the voice? Let me follow. There must be the fence over in that direction.” From that, to students now coming in on a four-day weekend finding two or three cards. I am super excited because I was part of the pioneering that led to that, that struggled to be at that level, and that’s the level that I am at now so we are all kind of equalized. But as I say, I wouldn’t give up one long day of disciplines to come later in school and just snap it up because, for me, I needed the long journey. For others, they have done their work however they have done it, and they come with that level of acceptance. I find them more elegant and more efficient than I was. MC: You have seen many shifts in the school. You have been a student for a long time and there is a recent shift again in the school where Blue College is going, as the Ram says, back to the ancient ways or back to the old ways, the simple ways, and there are some people that may not be interested in doing that. Can you talk about the difference between Blue College and other aspects of the school, and where he is going with this, in your opinion? GREG: Yes, he defined it really, really well. He said the school is split now. The main teacher of the Primary Group is JZ Knight and she is an empire builder, and that’s for people who want to learn how to become empire builders. How can you be physically, financially responsible for yourself? How can you use your mind in a world full of competition and create a dream and watch it unfold? We are all creators. Some people are going to create fabulous wealth. Other people are going to want to create becoming an emerging Christ. Both are equal to the mind of God because both are making known the unknown. So Ram’s avenue is Blue College. He wants to take us back to the original intent that he had, which was to bring forth Christ in the school, and masters and adepts, whose focus is not empire building but what is it that we can do out of mind that has to do with the human potential, the phenomena associated with human potential – levitation, bilocation. Those are very attractive to certain people, and empire building is very attractive to certain people. MC: Can you do both? GREG: I am doing both. I’ve got a book. It is going to be a New York Times best seller. That is my walk. And I always say to everybody who asks how well do you think your book will do? I say it is called These Things You Shall Do and Greater. Let’s see if the book is its own prophet. MC: Beautiful. GREG: So I am leaving the book and the knowledge and the information in it as its own testament as to how well it will do. It is already being translated into four languages. So everything is in momentum to become this whatever it is going to become. So I am building that. That is an empire. I have a business with JZ. That is an empire. But I am a Blue College student first and foremost. If I had to make a choice I would be Blue College, but I am big enough not to have to make a choice. I am going to do both. And I could become a Christ in the empire building school as well as in Blue College because it is not about Blue College, although Blue College is going to give you the environment, the teachings, the opportunity to fine tune that level. But I could do it from the other because the disciplines, as Ram said, are the same. It is a matter of what picture are we putting in the discipline to create. Is it a levitating Buddha or is it a fabulous wealth project? They are equal in manifestation. MC: I think this is a beautiful thing for people to hear because when the information about the “split” came out this year there was a lot of conflict for some people about choosing either/or, and here you are telling us how to do both. GREG: No, I am doing both, both, yeah. MC: I had felt the same way. I said “wait a minute. We are Gods creating. Why can’t we do both?" GREG: And we can do both from either avenue. MC: What it does though, when that question is asked, is it makes you ask yourself, where am I at with this? All the questions will come up that you get to look at for yourself and you come to that place of, wait a minute, why can’t I do both? Or no, I choose the empire; that other thing, whatever that Blue College thing is, I am just not ready for that. There are some people that are totally clear about that. That is beautiful. GREG: Clarity is its own reward. MC: It isn’t in conflict. GREG: Right. MC: You can always change. It is not as if you are missing out on something. GREG: This is not a fraternity that once you pledge you are always forever going to be bonded to that fraternity. I am sure people will switch back and forth because both are extraordinary. I am going to be doing the Blue College retreat but I have five projects that I will be focusing on in Blue College in addition to levitation and bilocation. I don’t care what event I am at, the same projects get focused on. MC: You write about your dark night of the soul. That was when you came to Kingston, Washington …… and you got really sick. Can you talk a little bit about that? GREG: What I had done, which was so cool, is that I was embarking on a really major empire building project. I was working with Tony Robbins, who is now a superstar. He is a celebrity. But I built his business up because he wasn’t capable of building it up. He was the star. So I built it up and we just went crazy with profits, and when he was situated and well on his way, I knew I had to come back to school because I had already been with the Ram for four years. I had bought my house in Kingston and I had been sort of commuting back and forth, but I had spent the last eighteen months building up this guy’s business so that he could go someplace. When I said goodbye, I had cut all my ties to California. I had businesses there. I had this partnership with Tony, all of my finances. Everything that I had built around my own personal identity was located in California. I had a 450 Mercedes SL, got in that car, put St. Elmo’s fire on the cassette tape, cranked it up and went north to my house. I essentially left one complete neuronet, one neighborhood, to pursue an unknown neighborhood, which was to be near the school and the teachings. Four days after I got to Kingston I got tremendously sick. So terrified was I because I had never been sick before. I was so healthy. I was a long-distance runner. I had never been to the doctor since I couldn’t remember when. So all of a sudden I am sick and I am terrified because it is so unusual for me. I can feel it’s a sickness that I can’t identify and it’s got power over me. It took me twenty-three days. I couldn’t eat for twenty-three days. A friend came to me at the end of twenty-three days and said, “You better go to the doctor. You have lost an enormous amount of weight and you look awful.” I looked him right in the eye and I said, “I’m afraid that I’ll believe what the doctor tells me.” I never made that appointment. I left after twenty-three days from my house in Kingston to a beautiful house right on the ocean. I took a long walk down a long road and sat on a rock on the beach, and I made a covenant with God. I simply said, if you will allow me to live, because I was afraid I was dying and I couldn’t identify the symptoms, I said I will dedicate my life to you. I don’t know how long I was on the rock but when I got back up and walked back home it was the first day of my recovery. It took me a year to fully recover. But that was twenty years ago and from that moment on it was the school, the Ram, the disciplines, and that was my life. So that is why when we fast-forward twenty years, it is still my life. I have still kept my covenant and I am alive and well, feeling better than I have in a long time, because I do my walk so many times a day that I don’t have enough time to slip back to an old personality. MC: Okay, so this is a good place to ask this, too, because you are a dad, you are a husband, you are a teacher at the school, you are an employee of JZK, Inc., you are… GREG: New York Times best selling author now. MC: Oh, yes, the New York Times best selling author. How does someone in this kind of a situation do it? What is the practical application here, Greg? GREG: The practical application is that all of these things are now my life. I don’t separate any of them as compartments any more. So I am not a father, and a student in the school, and a teacher in the school. I am a human being incorporating all of these. So it is as if I am still just one person having to walk through each door every day but it encompasses all of those aspects of myself. I am the being who has become the person who is big enough to hold all those things into place. I am fortunate enough to have a wife who understands that my priority has always been the school and that’s what I am most focused on. I want to become something remarkable and, of course, there are a few sacrifices when you make that kind of declaration. But as I have matured in school I have been able to be more and more things without sacrificing any aspect of any of those things. So look, it’s like there is a neighborhood that any one of us could go into that could encompass this easily and efficiently without any kind of restrictive aspect to it. I am walking in that neighborhood because every single day, every morning, every afternoon, in my car, wherever I am by myself, I am saying what it is that I have always been, and it encompasses these. So it is easy actually to do that because I have insisted on being in the place that could accommodate that. MC: I remember when I first learned the Neighborhood WalkSM “where I have always been”, and there was a bit of reluctance to “always have been” something because it sounded fake, like we were acting, it wasn’t “real”. But then when we learn that there is actually the biology, the knowledge that there is a neuronet that exists where the history has always been that, then you can walk as that, knowing that you are firing neurons for that reality. It took a while for me to make that leap. I am curious about the new students who are coming in, if they talk about this. GREG: Well, JZ does such a good preparation in her talks for new students to understand. She really breaks it down specifically step by step by step. When she talks about the Neighborhood WalkSM you are looking at somebody who is so congruent and so convicted about it, that that discipline is contagious to everybody in the audience. So I think the new students come thinking that this is the way it has always been. It is about being able to understand that you have really always been that. I mean if you can go into physics and go into parallel realities, we have been everything and are right now simultaneously past, present and future. Have we been fabulously wealthy? Oh, of course we have. Have we been thirty years younger in the past? Not only in the past, but even in this lifetime. It is so easy to access thirty years younger because it is already a part of this incarnation’s DNA. Thirty years ago, we were what it was. MC: This is true, yes. GREG: She makes it so easy to understand that I think the new students don’t have a problem with it. I think the old students have more of a problem with it because they are comparing what they have always been to what they see in their life. And you cannot do that. That is the secret. That’s why I walk so much each day. I don’t want enough time during the day to remember that I am not what I have said I have always been, and my life is unfolding exactly like I say it every day. I am super inspired. I am enthusiastic because that is the neighborhood that accomplishes all of those things. MC: Yes. GREG: So I know I am in that neighborhood and the moment I fall back into any kind of doubt, I walk. That is my discipline. MC: You have learned so many disciplines over the years and the Walk is something that obviously has become a big part of your day. Do you still do other disciplines? GREG: I do. MC: What are your favorites? Everyone seems to be drawn to a particular one or two. GREG: I love FieldworkSM because it gives you feedback. I love FieldworkSM because I can lose myself in a single concept, and I am patient enough after years of being impatient. So now in doing any of the disciplines, I don’t have a need for instant feedback. I only have a need to just hold the focus for as long as I can. And, of course, that always takes you to its accomplishment because it is not about the end result. It is about the moment. So I love FieldworkSM. I am working on levitation. I like the tank most of the time, but most of the times I think about it, it is just like oooh, you get that little feeling. I used to love The Tank® because I took it on like climbing Mt. Everest, you know, and I would will myself through that tank. Well, it is so sophisticated now, that you can’t will yourself through the tank on an aggressive level. You have to will yourself on an internal level. So that is part of the aspect of patience I am learning. MC: I would love to backup here for those who don’t know what The Tank® is. It is a labyrinth. If you could explain that and explain how you can’t will your way through it anymore.
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