INTERVIEW WITH GREG SIMMONS
- PART 2 -
January 27, 2007  by Louise SaintOnge of MastersConnection, LLC
Transcribed by Bertha Rainen
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MC: Okay, so you love FieldworkSM, you love the Walk. Anything else?

GREG: I love C&E®. I love it. I love the levitation process that we do. There isn’t a discipline in school that I don’t love, but I don’t sometimes practice all of those. First of all, I go to every event so I get a good amount of practice from those. When I am at home I focus on the levitation process and the Neighborhood WalkSM. Those are the two. But I do FieldworkSM almost every day at school when I am at work. That is my discipline. I love archery. I love going from the woods to
The Tank®. I love it all because it’s my time, it’s my moment. It is the most pure environment there is to allow you to become what it is we say that we want to become,
and that is a transcendent human being.

MC: Yes. Do you think that people could walk once in the morning, you know, those who might have come to the school for a long weekend or an eight-day event, and they had an incredible experience? People have incredible experiences at these events and they walk away and wonder why things aren’t happening. There are so many layers to get through. Do you feel people really need to walk 5 or 6 times a day in order to smear it through the whole day?

GREG: I don’t know if people need to do that. I needed to do that because I have a lot of projects going and I could be distracted if I wasn’t walking as the being that manages all of those. If somebody has a very simple kind of, you know, life they could probably take a beautiful walk each day and that would enhance them but that would not be the kind of warrior Spirit that would drive them to a permanent transcendental state. This work is best done like a warrior. It has to be so important to you. Look how long it has taken all of us to do remarkable things, and most of us don’t do remarkable things on a consistent basis. I have been in school twenty-five years. I met the Ram in 1982. There wasn’t a school for six years, but once disciplines started in 1988, I have been doing them faithfully, basically every day since then.

I still have not tempered myself to the point where I am a warrior about this school. Yes, in certain disciplines. Yes, in certain events. Yes, over a certain period of time. But I am not the warrior who wakes up every day, although recently I have become that, who wakes up every day and says this day and, you know, lays it out like that is the way it is going to be, and my sword is sharp and my mind is sharp. I am coming to that place, but it has taken me a long time to want to just keep peeling away those aspects of entertainment and lethargy that plague all human beings. So I think if one wants to be successful in their own life that they are going to have to take on a really warrior-like attitude, because all warriors suffered through their own personality to get to be who they were. Look at the Ram on the rock for seven years. Look at what JZ has had to endure for thirty years.

MC: There is an interesting story in your book, Greg, when you talked about having gone to the Sri Auribindo Ashram in India and there was a guru person there who talked about having found peace and happiness …

GREG: Yeah.

MC: ..and you were having a conversation with him about the whole idea of being a warrior..

GREG: That is exactly what it was and it was beautiful.

MC: Yes, talk about that.

GREG: Well, the guy was a typical, very highly respected guru at one of the most famous ashrams in all of India, the Sri Auribindo. I had gone there with Amwit Goswami for a physics and yoga conference. I was talking to him because he had told me that he had reached a level of peace and bliss. I told him that that wasn’t anything near what the school or myself was interested in becoming. I said I want to be challenged. I want to do whatever it takes to become something great. Peace, as Ramtha said, makes people old.
Adversity keeps them young.

MC: Here is the perfect point to go on within your book and in your experience because I think many of us say, “Oh yes, I want to be enlightened.” But we really don’t know. What does that mean? And then, “Oh, I want peace.” Well, why do we want peace? Is it because we are always in war? What are the reasons here? I think there is a really sharp distinction in Ramtha's school versus what you are talking about.

GREG: Well, the guy was so cool. He said, “Tell me.” He was confused because his whole life had been built around detached, desirelessness and to be in a state of peace. I just told him that is absolutely not of any interest to a warrior, or to a student in our school. He said, “Well, can you manifest?” I said, “Yes.” He says, “Can you manifest something out of nothing or is it just like a dreamlike state?” I said, “No, you can manifest something out of nothing.” He challenged me. He said, “Can you do that for me?” I just said, “Yes.”
He said, “I am going to have you over to my house for a meeting with my friends and you show us how you can manifest.” I said, “Okay.”

I went home and shook that night because I didn’t know what I was going to manifest.
I knew there was a lot of pressure because he was going to have all of his friends over.
I was sleepless all night long, tossing and turning. I said this is one of those defining moments in my life. I don’t know what is going to be the outcome, but it is going to be profound for me one way or the other.

MC: Is it because you stated that you could do this even before you actually were able to?

GREG: Yes, I have done it but I have never been able to do it on command with a group. But I wanted him to know that’s what a warrior would have said and I was in that space.
I said, “I can.” I tossed and turned all night. I finally came up with what I thought might work, but wasn’t so much pressure. I said I am going to show him that I am going to make it rain in three days. At that time of year in India that would have been a big miracle because we were in the dry season.

I ended up going to Puttaparthi, which is where the Sai Baba ashram is. On the way home, on the third day, it poured. So surprised were the taxi drivers that, because their cars are so funky, the guy had to stop the car, unhook the heater which was now hooked up for the winter, and rehook the windshield wipers so that he could wipe off the rain and we could see. I sat in the back of that car and I said, “Yes!”.

Then I find out about a year later, that guru died. He had passed the plane. It was the difference between the warrior who wants to be able to consciously create reality and somebody who is looking for peace as an ultimate end, because at peace is not a creating God. Peace is something that you end up with after you have done something extraordinary for a short period of time while you are dreaming the next dream. So it is a short plateau.
It is not a mountain range.

MC: As a young spiritual seeker, many years ago, I thought that’s what we were seeking, you know.

GREG: Yes, sure. Well, I think most of us did. In a chaotic world, peace looks like a real attribute so that would appeal to an awful lot of people. In the sixties and the seventies India was filled with students from the West who were looking at corporations and war,
and saying this is not the right path. What they didn’t have the knowledge of was how
you personally create reality on your own terms, so they were looking for a broad spectrum antidote. That was to detach yourself from the aspirations of the world, go within, and become peaceful. Well, that was the strategy in the sixties and seventies and it looked pretty good at that time.

But the beauty of knowledge is that you get to ask the questions that you have the knowledge about in order to receive better answers, more elevated answers. So if you can ask the questions you can get the information. We have been trained so well that each student in this school who has been a sincere student, if they pass, will have the knowledge to ask the great questions which will allow them to evolve and devolve and to design a more precise and more fabulous life so that when they do return they return with a set of instructions that they are much more savvy about, that they have built dreams upon, that they would be more conscious about while living here in order to expedite those particular dreams.

When I read the story of Henry Sugar (by Roald Dahl), I thought the same thing, although
I found out since then, that he never died. That is what Ramtha told us. But in the book it looks like he did, and I thought, God, with that level of mastery, with a little information and direction, look at what he could have done to his own personal life. He could have extended his life. He could have become immortal. He could have anything he wanted to focus on.

MC: Yes, this is something about science as well. There are these great, brilliant scientists doing quantum physics and they don’t know that they can apply it to their own lives. This is amazing. What is it? Some sort of a fog or some heavy, mental prison that exists here that we don’t even know we can bust out of? Certainly you and I do as students, but scientists, they can’t even make that leap into human potential. What is that? What is that?

GREG: That is called compartmentalized discipline, where you find your passion and your knowledge base and you can’t really afford to go outside of it too far because then you lose what it is that you are trying to accomplish. But that is the beauty of this school. This school needs to rock and it needs those kinds of scientists who can bridge the gap, like Amit Goswami.

Our school is going to break out this year and next year so big-time, that people who are masters in certain disciplines will be able to cross-train themselves with this knowledge base and take advantage of their discipline, their passion, and apply it now to aspects of themselves. When that happens we have a really fabulous spiritual revolution going on.
That is my hope for the school over the next two years. We are just building bridges to all of these other interdisciplinary masters.

MC: There are people all over the planet that want to know what is going on with the other 98% of the brain that we haven’t been using.

GREG: Sure they do.

MC: So we are stepping out of what is it, 2%? It used to be 10% but I think it’s been discovered that we only use 1 to 2% percent.

GREG: It is 1 to 2%.

MC: I want the 98-99%. What is in there? Get me in there. Let me see that. There are a lot of people out there doing that in different ways but when you’ve got the technology of the mind in order to access it in, oh my God!

GREG: It is going to happen, and the part that has been missing for most people is this fundamental knowledge of the nature of reality, because it’s not been presented by anybody credible that could back it up with their own personal performance. So the reason the school will become so prominent is because the students are emerging in their disciplines and they are being able to demonstrate on call, the ability of the brain and the mind, and their lives are reflecting a joyful, creative, very happy, leave me alone, I am happy in my own world,
I am creating realities, dynamic realities.

And that’s actually all anybody really wants to be able to do anyway. They don’t want a relationship or to build an empire. They want to consciously create reality, which might include a relationship or a million dollars or a billion dollars. But they want it to be of choice and this is the knowledge that gives people choice.

MC: Wonderful. One of the things that comes up for me in the book are these conundrums, if you will, that are seemingly opposite kinds of things, like what the difference is between the idea of being the creator of your reality and surrendering; that surrendering has a reputation of a kind of giving up. How do we come clear on that?

GREG: Yeah, such a great question. It is like an oxymoron but it is so purposeful because this is where mastery and knowledge comes in. I tell people when they say, “Well, if I really want something, will I get it?” I used to say, “No, you won’t get it because want already indicates you don’t have it.” You use the passion in creating the concept. Once the concept is created you have to go to no desire. That is where we move consciousness to the mid brain. We create with the neocortex our passionate desire for whatever, and in the creating of that model, that drawing, that concept, that is where your passion and your desire have to be. The moment it is created, in order to manifest it, you have got to go to the part of the brain that has no desire, because that part of the brain already has it. If you have something, you don’t desire it.

MC: There is passion in emotion and there is passion in desire so where do you start and create that and then move into the part that has none of that?

GREG: That’s the discipline. That’s the beauty of the discipline. You have to have interest enough in something. Look, I always said to myself I am going to do FieldworkSM. I am going to create a card that is so interesting to me, and so exciting to me, that if we are out there twelve hours, I am still excited about it. Because sometimes the Ram would come down and say, okay we are going to go out and do the Field and I am just like, you know,
I am running some administrative things and I come and make a little thing and I go out and it’s a twelve-hour Field and I say, “I don’t even care about that thing on my card.”

MC: You mean it’s the concept that you want to be interesting.

GREG: The concept has to be so exciting to me that I am willing to be patient for twelve hours in order to fall into that analogical state where I can become it. That is where the passion is. The passion is that this thing is so beautiful. Whatever it is, it doesn’t matter.
But it is in the Walk, it is in focus, it is in FieldworkSM, it is in the Tank® as we talked about earlier. That patience is what allows us to take our need to have it away, and to know that if I stay patient it will always come to me. So, the creation is done in absolute enthusiasm and inspiration and passion, but the process must be one of detachment to manifest it, because that implies to our Observer that it already is.

MC: So in the passion and the enthusiasm about creating it, this is where I think many people get confused about the emotion of it and knowing that it already is. Can you shed any more light on that or is that just a process that you have …

GREG: I have done it so many times. Yes, it’s best to just follow the instructions until you have the experience. What was it that allowed you to find your card? It was the fact that it was no longer that important. That what was important was holding its focus irrespective of its outcome because that’s the discipline. If you do that, the Observer is taking a long, long look at this template that you have designed and the parts of the brain that consciousness must move through. In order for the journey to be a manifesting journey, they do not have emotions in them. The mid brain and the lower cerebellum are devoid because you have detached from the centers that fire the signals that create the emotion, which is the neocortex.

So that’s how you know. In school I know when I am going to find my card and when I am not by how long I can hold its focus without thinking about it, because as long as the picture is coming up and then fading, coming up and then fading, I am not in the neuronet that can accept that. So once I sit there, and if you do it long enough, it just sits there because it’s done. You know it’s done and it sits there and you sit back deep into your focus and now you just get to observe it and that observation is what takes you to your card. So when they say in the Field keep pressing it, keep pressing it, keep pressing it, you are pressing it so you keep firing the area of the neuronet that is frequency specific to that outcome. If you fire it long enough it will find its way into that little space. Then once it is there and occupies that, that’s done. Whether you hit the fence or not, you have become analogical. That reality is going to show itself to you as long as you don’t undermine it by your own future doubt.

MC: Right.

GREG: That’s why we walk five, six, seven times a day because there is no time for doubt to get in. It just can’t get in. You are still resonating from the last walk and by the time you do it again you just pick up the resonation. So it’s as a consistency there. That is why in school JZ has you walk five and six times a day, so we don’t forget who we have always been.

MC: Who we have always been, right. In the last Blue College Initiation, when the Ram talked long about how the Field has become an extension of remote-view and more like a sonar thing, and that we have to move away from this, that it is an evolution of the discipline. Yes, we want you to know that you can do this but now let’s take it into the actual experience. Let’s look at this. When he said that it is not about that, it is about the experience. It gives you the opportunity to get more into it. In my own situation, every time I came near the fence I said, no, I don’t want my card. I want the experience. I kept going back out into the middle of the field. I want the experience. I don’t want my card but, darn, I landed on my card anyway. Of course it was wonderful.

GREG: Do you know why you did? I am going to tell you why you found your card. Because in your not wanting your card you were focused on it the whole time and as you are getting closer to the fence you are saying, “I don’t want my card. I don’t want my card.” Well, that’s analogical mind on a card. You couldn’t help but find it if you do that.
If you could do that with fabulous wealth and long life and immortality …

MC: Isn’t that beautiful?

GREG: That’s it right there.

MC: I went to the Ram and he put the card on my chest and he said now go have the experience. Then when you go out into the Field and you don’t even have a card on the fence anymore …

GREG: That’s really freedom.

MC: The freedom of that is incredible.

GREG: There was a small period where we would go out and do FieldworkSM with no card on the fence. That was a freeing experience, too. I found a lot of cards in the early days because I loved finding cards and so I would find a lot of cards. A lot of those cards never manifested because its manifestation was complete when I found it. I didn’t know that I liked finding it so much that it would override the experience, but then I realized it wasn’t about the card.

I have been on the Field for twelve hours and didn’t find my card but the next day the full-blown experience of that card is in my life. When I found that I realized it’s not about the card. Do you want to find a card? Of course you want to find a card as an indication that you could go deep enough into the mind, that your mind could take your body and point it at your card and make this journey and end up in front of a little 4x6-inch square.

MC: Incredible.

GREG: And this year I found more cards. This was my year. I said I am going to do a lot of FieldworkSM and I am going to master this. I found more cards than I have ever found in any other year, this year. I am not that good at remote-view so I am still thinking.
But my cards were about those five projects that I am working on. So I have the patience for a 1-2-3-4-year project. It is not about finding the card and, you know, waiting for the experience. I am on a long thought about these projects and I have all the time in the world for them because in my daily Walk, they already are. I am staying out of the way of their manifestation. That’s what my Walk does. It keeps me out of their way.

MC: Is that the surrender?

GREG: That’s a part of it too, yes, but that’s no different than doing FieldworkSM. The FieldworkSM has to be that this is my focus, this is my dream, this is my love. I am willing to be here forever. And when you get that on the Field, where you don’t care how long the Field is, you always find your card because you have basically said to the Observer, “I’m already there.” I am satisfied in this moment looking at what it is that I want, looking at it in such a way that I am having its experience right now and the Observer just says,
“So be it. So the card’s over there. Take a left.” Boom, there’s your card.

MC: So when you are having the experience on the Field unto that concept are you – this also happened at the recent Blue College Initiation where the Ram talked about being it so you are no longer the stick-figure you are looking at on the card, but you are actually that person walking through that door levitating, for example.

GREG: Yes, exactly, right. When I levitated in the school my eyes were open the whole time. I took, according to him, four steps in the air, but the whole time I was in the air, even though my eyes never closed, I saw nothing.

MC: So you wouldn’t have known you did unless …

GREG: Oh, I knew I did because I felt one foot come to the ground, and then the other foot hit the ground, and on the second foot that hit the ground I saw the Field again. I was not doing FieldworkSM. I was the teacher of those doing FieldworkSM so I didn’t have my eyes closed or blinders on and nobody saw because everybody had their blinders on. But I knew I had levitated.

As soon as that session was over I went right on the radio and told JZ. I said, “Oh my God, I have just levitated.” She says, “Tell me all about it.” I said, “All of a sudden I am sitting there. I remembered a card that I just made and it said ‘In the Moment.’ I was watching the students and I was so at peace with my world, and I thought about the card that I made a couple of weeks before. It was about being in the moment.” I said, “The next thing I knew is that I felt as if somebody took two fingers and lifted me up underneath my armpits, and then the next thing I was consciously aware of was I felt one foot hit the ground, the next foot hit the ground and my vision came back and I saw the school again.” I said, “I knew I had levitated.” And the Ram verified it. So I took four steps in the air.

And I said to him, “Why wasn’t I consciously aware of that?” He said, “Because you haven’t done it enough to have created a neuronet for it.” So you don’t have enough experience to be consciously aware of those levels of frequency. If you do it enough, of course you will. So you don’t know in the beginning that you have done it because you are in the moment of it being that way.
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