INTERVIEW WITH - PART 3
MICEAL LEDWITH, L.Ph.,L.D.,D.D., LL.D
About His New Book, New DVD and
What He Is Up To These Days...
December 7, 2007 by Louise SaintOnge for MastersConnection, LLC,
©2008 MastersConnection, LLC. All Rights Reserved.

MICEAL: It is definitely unique to the school in the sense of the variety and the dramatic quality of the pictures. I get pictures every day from people all around the world, so the orbs are appearing everywhere. It’s not just here, and many people including myself have occasional orbs in our pictures taken over twenty or thirty years ago, but the real origin of orb appearance in terms of frequency and intensity was at RSE.
MC: In Chapter 4 you talk about vortices and torsion fields, and you’ve included some fabulous photos of vortices in your book. Can you tell us about a potential change of paradigm here from what we thought we knew about observable phenomena and its implications?

MICEAL: First of all, there are no such pictures of vortices in existence anywhere else in the world as far as I am aware at this time.
     For simplistic purposes, the technical definition of a torsion vortex or a torsion field, versus a gravitational field, is that one is the vertical polarization of the physical vacuum. The other is the horizontal polarization of the physical vacuum. What it means in layman’s terms is that a gravitational field and a torsion field are working in opposite directions.
     The thing that struck me about those torsion fields when they first appeared in front of me was that they must be affecting gravity. So if I can generate, as we do in C&E®, for instance, a torsion field around me of sufficient intensity, then eventually it is going to overcome the effect of gravity. That’s the technology behind levitation.
     But then I realized that if the torsion field is affecting gravity, then it seems to me it’s going to bend the space/time continuum, as it is called. Some of the leading edge thinkers in this field today believe that time sort of hangs on gravity, like garments in a closet. Therefore, if gravity is altered or affected, the rate of the elapse of time must be affected.

MC: Without it then there is no time.

MICEAL: They are just different fields that run counter to each other. I think gravity is in some way intrinsic to the nature of time. But what the torsion field does is it provides a wormhole through which different gravitational fields can be accessed. If this can be done, then we know time is not linear but exists in parallel sequences. If that is done, then we also can alter the course of the lapse of time into which we are plunged, whether in this timeframe, or in a parallel timeframe.
     So in these torsion vortices pictures of mine that are included in the book, the torsion vortex are altering gravity. In fact it may cancel it out. So obviously the torsion field and the torsion vortexes, such as those that I have pictured, are actually phenomena that allow access to realms in which the passage of time has changed.
     That holds true to a limited degree anywhere in the cone of the vortex but if you were to walk right in through those vortices, through the fuzzy core that you can see at the end of them, you’d probably enter into a parallel time. I didn’t do that because I wasn’t prepared to be caught in the 15th century with just credit cards in my pocket!

MC: So you stood there at the doorway of, who knows what, and chose not to enter.

MICEAL: The vortex itself was probably, somewhere in the region of 40 or 50 feet long. I was about midway inside the cone of the vortex. It was like a cone in shape, as you can see in the pictures in the book and they were rotating. At first I didn’t know what they were. It was afterwards that I began to realize these were torsion vortices.

MC: This book is quite ground breaking then isn’t it?

MICEAL: I think that this book is going to be the standard work of reference on orbs for people who are interested, for quite a long time to come. This work is not just about amassing a huge collection of remarkable pictures, because orbs have a lot more to tell us about the nature of reality and about how we could interact with it in much more advantageous ways than the ways we have been doing it. That is why I wanted to expand on some matters, and why I produced the new DVD which has just appeared Orbs: Clues to More Exciting Universe, so now you can better understand the reason for the title. It has a vortex picture on the cover.

MC: The standard work of reference?

MICEAL: Yes, the standard work of facts, like what do I know about an orb or how do we see them or what do they tell us about how things are? My discovery that they are seen through fluorescence- is I think an enormous discovery of great importance for the future. I think that a time will come, maybe within a generation, that communication with these beings will be as regular as taking up the phone and calling Europe. We are only at the beginning here. Even back within living memory, sixty or seventy years ago, phoning someone in the United States from Europe was so difficult as to almost qualify as the paranormal. Now we can talk to people via video in Europe instantaneously and all over the world as we walk down the street. So I think in the same way, the communication which I established with these beings will become commonplace within a generation.

MC: What about this communication? There is a part in the book where you talked about the way they started showing up in these hexagonal shapes. Then you went into exploring what that could possibly be, which probably led into the fluorescence thing because you were thinking about the camera and all that. But you said that you wrote a list of questions ….

MICEAL: Five months of questions.

MC: And you went on and on and on and on in a great tedious way and they were yes and no questions and you posed the questions to these orbs and they changed their shape. Then after a certain period of time they were no longer there and you have never seen them since

MICEAL: Well, that group of orbs was around for about five months.
I remember one night Ramtha said to me on his way in “Do you know there is an interdimensional craft at your house these days?” I said, “Is there?” Well, he said “yes”. The next night of the event I brought in photographs of what I thought was the craft. Some of them are in this book. I said, “Is that what it is?” He said, “Yes, that’s what it is.” I said, “Why is it there?” He said, “It is observing your interaction with these orbs.”

MICEAL: As I said earlier, my main interest in orbs is not building up a huge collection of 150,000 pictures such as I have. It is about what does this tell us about the place we are living in? How do I interact with it? Am I here to obey 538 commandments if I am Jewish, or 10 if I am Christian, or 721 if I am Muslim? No, that is not why I am here. I am here to do something entirely different than that. I think it is really tragic that people are left in this state of absolutely abysmal ignorance about why we are even here or what we can accomplish.

MC: Well, you know, isn’t this, too, how people will look at the orb phenomenon? Either we will empower it with some sort of a loftier or more spiritual view, or that they are going to guide us or be with us or we put it into the occult scary, ghostly place? Again, it is a Hamburger Universe view of what orbs are. Why do we always just do that?

MICEAL: That, I think, is one of the most significant points that you and I could discuss today because we are inordinately badly prepared by our culture, our religious upbringing and our history to deal with this phenomenon. We use words like the paranormal which means outside of the normal, the occult which means the hidden, the supernatural which means a natural world and a supernatural world above it, which are rigidly separated and unconnected with one another... The way we have understood these notions hitherto must now seem a little crazy because of what we are now learning from orbs and elsewhere about the nature of reality.
     We are really badly prepared to deal with the phenomenon of orbs because our culture, our history, our religious upbringing has turned us in a direction which makes it extremely difficult for us to make proper sense of what this is.
     If you look at it, our understanding has been formed by Hollywood and their horror movies and their ghosts and Halloween haunting, vampires, and fearsome extraterrestrials oozing slime. That is what we think of the paranormal.
     Halloween was a wonderful festival in Celtic times that celebrated new life; it was the New Year’s Eve of the Celtic realms. The afterlife of the Celts was called the Land of Youth and there was none of the ugliness that characterized the pictures of the afterlife in Sumer and the Ancient Middle East in general, from where unfortunately our versions of the afterlife sprang.      Now Halloween has been turned into the macabre and the ghoulish and the decadent, and of course our entire year has been turned into a recurring series of festivals with hardly any space between them to provide contrast, all to generate sales.

MC: They’re all out to get you, beware!

MICEAL: Yes, it is all about fear and scaring children to pieces for a lot of profit, money-wise. But when we now find this phenomenon, this piece of evidence, orbs, we tend to slot them into one of those boxes and they, of course, fit in none of them. So as a race we’re not well prepared to give an objective analysis of this phenomenon at all. We have to put the brakes on and start afresh.

MC: So that is like the new age saying, “Oh, I’m communicating with my mom or my whatever.” So you’ve got that other extreme of the duality of this whole business.

MICEAL: Exactly. One of the saddest things that I see, and I have seen so much of this, is that as a race, and by the way I am not exempting myself from this- we are all in this together.
But what I see that we are so inclined to do is to immediately replace the enslavements into which we have gotten ourselves through various religious movements. We hear something fresh and new and exciting and liberating and we run off to turn it into a new and more exotic form of enslavement. It is fresh, but it is still enslavement.. It is new. We run off to India guru hopping, or climb up a high mountain or go to some remote place and we think we are going to find God there. God is as far away as we conceive God to be and as near as we allow God to be. It has nothing at all to do with geography.

MC: But ultimately it is that we all share a deep love of finding who it is we really are. That to me is what is underneath it all, and yet we get strung out or hung up on all these different things to find the answer. We are always looking for the plateau, the “thing” that is the answer, instead of understanding that we are evolving and it is a constant moving on and on and on. It is not a plateau to stay on.

MICEAL: No, there is no plateau to stay on but that doesn’t mean it is all about endless effort or struggle either..

MC: We still don’t understand that. There is still a myth, a belief if you will, that if I do this I will arrive at a place, like you say about the Hamburger Universe. I wasn’t thinking about heaven in particular, but arriving at a place where, ahhh, all things are fine, everything is at peace and that is the way we are going to enjoy ourselves, that we’ve finally ‘arrived’ and can cruise. We don’t understand it’s about moving on and evolving.

MICEAL: If we think we have got it all together, you know, if I am getting into middle age and I have been around a bit, I think I’ve got my whole reality together. I know if I do this or that, certain things happen. When a phenomenon like orbs appears, it blows us out of the water, (it’s always a mistake to be in the water in the first place). We should always be open to what is coming and not assume we know the truth of it. This is an adventure, not an arrival.
     An image I am using lately about human beings is the iceberg. It’s in my new DVD. The human being is like an iceberg. There’s a small part visible above the waves on top – about one seventh of the whole. And the rest is underneath. It is invisible. And that’s the greater part.
We are like that except we are turned the other way around. The important part in the eyes of the world is this visible part known as the physical. What job do I have, how much do I earn, how do people respect me, how many clubs do I belong to, how much golf do I play. This is absurd because we have lulled our deeper self to sleep. We have gotten into what I call a trance state.....

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